Getting rid of fighting would be the dumbest thing in the world. The truth is, it does exist for a reason and its not just there because it always has been. With the new instigation rules, you might as well get rid of it. You can't have douchebags like Matt Cooke running around doing whatever he wants and then turtleing out of a fight only for his team to get the power play. Let the players enforce the "rules"
Fighting may have a place as something reactionary to a dirty hit like Cooke, as you mentioned, defending teammates, etc, but goons and stage fighters are completely irrelevant. They need to be cut out of the game and the deterrent needs to be against fighting as a whole for that to happen. People can still fight, they just get kicked out of the game if they do. To me, that would make every fight count.
I agree that staged fights need to go. Back in the days you didn't have a goon in the lineup who's sole purpose what to fight; they all knew how to play hockey to a certain extent.
Fighting stays. Period. Getting rid of it would do more harm than good. This is something I am very strong about. Removing a team's right to police themselves on the ice defeats the attitude of a "team" and will allow star players to get cheap shotted. Guys who fight, when inserted in the line-up, do make a difference. It's been proven with winning record that these players DO HELP THEIR TEAM WIN even if they don't score goals every night. However, a fighter has to be able to assist the team with more than just fists, otherwise they should not be dressed for all 82 games. Don't start instituting ejections for players that fight either, bc then no one will fight at all and the above mentioned will continue to ensue. Bottom line is that the game needs to be left alone. Period.
The game doesn't need to be left alone. Probert's brain showed evidence of CTE after he died, caused by concussions. The NHL won't be able to sweep this under the rug for much longer.
Cheap shots will be taken out of the game with heavier suspensions and fines, not with punches. Staged fights are an embarassment to the game.
My argument is guys like Probert don't exist anymore in a full time role. Generally speaking, if you want to fight, you have to play the game too. I don't see nearly as many players going forward, who fight, suffering from CTE or other TBA's...cheap shots and fighting are two completely different cases. And I wasn't addressing staged fights, just fighting in general. I personally enjoy watching all fights...but I can clearly understand and relate to people wanting to have that part of the game removed - just not fighting as a whole.
I disagree, there are still quite a few players in the NHL that dress just to fight. Off the top of my head I can think of Konopka, Orr, Parros, Janssen and Mcleod just to name a few. These players possess very little hockey skill other than their ability to fight.
Disregarding the "leader" argument, I'll give you all those guys except for Konopka. He's actually a very good 4th line hockey player, and he was top 5 in the league in faceoffs last year. That's enough of a contribution to take him off that list (and you're telling this to Rob McGowan of all people lol)
I think this is perfect. Shanahan is doing what Campbell never could, he's explaining why the suspensions happen and why they are so long. He uses the NHL rule book in his explanation as well. It makes the fans understand, but most importantly, the players. If everyone is getting these high number of games off due to suspensions, they should think twice of hitting to the head. It protects the players as well. So yes, it should continue and I expect it to.
I like it, but this was the easy part. When it gets to February, March, April, May, when the games actually matter, his job is going to be a lot tougher.
I'm okay with the suspensions. Just goes to show that players can be too reckless with power in making the big hit when it isn't necessary. Shanahan's latest video profiling legal checks showed that you don't need to always hit hard to make the right defensive play.
He's trying so hard to make players afraid of him, he's suspending some people for regular hockey hits. Truly, the NHL is going to stand for the No Hits League very shortly